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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:24 pm 
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Hi all,

In addition to actually building the pony for spring I was thinking of reworking the
base as well. My thought was to make it a two stepped, simple framed structure.
It would look like a step pyramid with plywood sides and platforms. We'd use
less wood than the usual stack and give people an open area to draw on as well as
leave offerings.

The pony itself will be a fairly traditional plywood cutout overlaid with popsicle
stick "fur". I'd like to pack it with burlap/wax combustibles. Anyone who remembers
Kevin Shultis' "Turning Man" on Assateague will be familiar with this approach.
I's also like to place dozens of tea candles on the stack (if it's dry out) and light
the whole thing with a spray bottle of lamp oil. This approach worked very well
with my mini-spire a few years back.

Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:42 pm 
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Update - I've got the basic cutouts done. It's two pieces from 4x8x3/8 plywood sheets.
The tail, legs and mane are separate pieces.

Drawings here: http://mysite.verizon.net/~playa1999/effigy.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/~playa1999/effigybase.jpg

Please note the design proposal for the stack. Do you think this is doable?
It would use less wood and be visually different from our usual stack.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:10 pm 
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Andy,
I like your plan. I looked at your drawings and I like the use of a traditional looking pony. The platform you suggest sounds great too. Using less firewood in the stack would make more wood available for the burn barrels.
Looking forward to my 7th PDF !!!! :D
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I don't see why there would be any problems. Will the new platform design still allow there to be a space open in the middle of the stack to make a chimney?


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Hey Andy! Coolness. Could you put some dimensions on that? They will help in figuring out the burn pad size and material needed. Ideally there should be a 2' apron around the stack. Bink is right about the chimney, but it doesn't really need to be any bigger than say 3'x3' inside. The problem with one that small though is keeping it open as the stack gets taller with the semi-controlled chaos of all the enthusiastic stackers. :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:22 pm 
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AndyWing wrote:
Hi all,

In addition to actually building the pony for spring I was thinking of reworking the
base as well. My thought was to make it a two stepped, simple framed structure.
It would look like a step pyramid with plywood sides and platforms. We'd use
less wood than the usual stack and give people an open area to draw on as well as
leave offerings.


I have no safety comments, but I LOVE the idea. Now I need to think of an "offering" I want to bring. Once you have all of the safety/doability details worked out, it would be great if you posted a message in the main section and maybe to baltwash, etc letting people know that there will be room to "contribute" on a very small scale.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:56 pm 
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OK, regarding the chimney. I know about leaving a hollow space. The effigy
will be mounted on a set of cross frames and braces that will need at least
some space below the top of the stack. As for the dimensions I was going
to ask you folks about that. How long and wide is the burn platform?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:49 am 
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Hey Andy--

Mungo said we're going to need to buy 10 more metal sheets. Some of the metal sheets we have are still good for one more burn, many, many others are not. I'm thinking we should be able to cobble together a platform that's about 15 x 15. Will that work?

Before I make any promises, though, let me double check with Mungo. I'm not sure if he's on this board.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:53 pm 
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I just heard back from Mungo, and yes, he hasn't been able to access this site for whatever reason. He's going to try to activate a new account, but meantime, I asked him about the burn pad dimensions, and he said it's usually 12' x 12" but we can increase the dimensions as needed.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:00 pm 
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12 x 12 is plenty. The pony cutout came from a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood, so the
the proportions should be OK.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 9:49 pm 
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Any more thoughts on the tea candles? I know the stack is presoaked with accelerant.
Would they be a hazard? I'm also shooting for completion of four "man head"
lanterns for the upper corners which will also have candles in them.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:37 pm 
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Hey all,

I got a note from Fritz about sloping in the sides if plywood is used to sheath the upper section of the stack.
This brings up a question. How much wood should I bring? I have enough for the pony base/support frame,
but do I need to supply the framing/decking for the stack itself? I need to know asap in order to get my
last minute Home Depot shopping done this week.

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I think most burns a lowe's run was made to get the wood for the platform in whatever pick up truck was volunteered. I know at least few other effigy builders brought their own.

I'm 99.9% certain that no one else is planning on bringing the wood for the platform.


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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:24 pm 
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Bink wrote:
I think most burns a lowe's run was made to get the wood for the platform in whatever pick up truck was volunteered. I know at least few other effigy builders brought their own.

I'm 99.9% certain that no one else is planning on bringing the wood for the platform.


Is there a pickup available? My van will be driven into the theme camp and parked
for the duration.

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:59 am 
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AndyWing wrote:
Is there a pickup available? My van will be driven into the theme camp and parked
for the duration.


We can probably find a willing volunteer, but I don't think one has been set up.


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Oh I like it too, it's going to be a pretty pony, pony!

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 2:00 pm 
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Andy,
We can make the platform any shape you need. Our usual base is 12X12 or so, but we've run as large as 18X18 at times.

The step base should work as long as there is a chimney in center. My only question is whether or not the fire stack would draw properly being so low. The higher the chimney, the greater the suction created by the rising air and, frankly, the more spectacular the flames.

Wood is pretty cheap this year and I believe we ordered a full ten cords, so that combined with fairly warm weather should give us pleanty.

Had you given any thought to ignition? We usually use kerosene, and road flares really help sustain the fire when it first starts.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 9:35 pm 
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Regarding ignition, my first post described burlap/wax packing for the effigy itself. I also have
four small man "head" lanterns for the corners. I was worried that they along with the tea candles
might ignite the kerosene vapors prematurely.

Here's another idea. Line the top level with kero filled dixie cups. With 30-40 tea candles going
in advance, a spray bottle or two with lamp oil would get an awful lot of accelerant into the stack
pretty fast. The candles would ignite the oil which in turn would start melting the cups and spilling
the kero into the growing fire. We may have to "kindle" the chimney a bit if it's not presoaked.
I can also bring a few boxes of fireplace starter blocks. (anyone have some Georgia fatwood? :mrgreen:

This is all predisposed on dry weather. If it's wet, then we'll have to fall back on the heavy
kero presoak of the whole stack.

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