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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:25 pm 
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The fixation on ownership will drag this on forever. And the financing piece my profession> has many variables


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:47 pm 
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I believe rentable land has been looked at, but I don't know by who. A fucking LIST of venues that have been researched and discarded as unsuitable would be a BIG help.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:02 pm 
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Years ago we had just such a list on a Wiki that was lost due to a server/host crash. It included Half Moon, 4QF, Highland, St. Mary's,
Ramblewood and probably another ten sites that we ruled out due to various reasons. Most of the reasons were low capacity (even
for 2001-2002), high price, locations too far away, fire bans, nudity bans, etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:11 pm 
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Why such hate for buying land??
we currently have ~$80K in the bank - not counting the 2011 burns
The community decided 10 years ago to make this a priority - and by golly - we're here! we've got it! a model and a sizable down payment...

Personally I am SO proud of this community and our long term planning and commitment to bring about something truly revolutionary in the burner community and for the east coast! Why are you actively trying to detract a 10 year plan just because you personally don't like it. What are your reasons?

If we find that elusive perfect spot - think of the possibilities! A place to truly call our own! a home for large-scale art. A place for OTHER community gatherings and fostering our principles. How does it get more expensive - especially if we find that $150k property that we can pay off in 5 years?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:28 pm 
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It is not hating it; it is about reasonability. Active searches by other groups is actively happening. And if rentable land is found and PDF is so directed in their ways as not to consider, another burn will evolve. With large scale theme camps, et et.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:10 pm 
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Hey, if someone finds a viable piece of rentable land, great - worth taking a look at. Most likely it'll be private land, and not commercial, which is what we've focused on in the past. Friend-of-a-friend is often the way things work out. I certainly wouldn't discount it out of hand!

If another burn evolves, also great! PDF can have regionals too ;-)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:19 am 
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dougtinva wrote:
A LIST of venues that have been researched and discarded as unsuitable would be a BIG help.


including the reasons those places were disregarded would help for archiving as well. Issues change.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:04 pm 
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There is also the possibility of long-term leased land. This is often an option when the land is under direction of a State or Federal department such as Forest Service, BLM, Bureau of Reclamation, Parks and Wildlife, military base closing, and so on. An example by the Burning Man Project is The Fly Ranch (not Firebase Lloyd ;) See http://flyranchproject.org/ for details. Leasing 4,000 acres from the BLM for 20+ years. Does anybody have friends in The Nature Conservancy, for instance?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:26 pm 
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Its a shame that we don't have anything "private" here in south jersey. We have a few venues like the cumberland county or salem county fair grounds. But all of them are open to several road views on 2-3 sides.

We have a lot of farm land in Salem county for sale but not sure if there anything large enough with some natual cover that would meet PDF requirments. And with a lot of farm land under the farm land preservation buy outs, not sure that PDF would even be allowed on that kind of land.

Besides NJ taxes are nuts unless we get non-profit status and then the county is going to hate us for not paying.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:07 pm 
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BUTTER BEAN wrote:
We have a lot of farm land in Salem county for sale but not sure if there anything large enough with some natual cover that would meet PDF requirments. And with a lot of farm land under the farm land preservation buy outs, not sure that PDF would even be allowed on that kind of land.


Unless PDF is planning on building buildings, it's probably fine under land preservation rules. If PDF gets farmland, they'd probably need to crop it for a year (to establish agricultural use), then enroll in the land bank to preserve agricultural designation without actually growing crops. At that point, PDF need to mow (more likely, pay a local farmer to mow) the designated land twice a year, and probably have someone from agricultural extension office come through every couple years to verify that PDF remains compliant.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:32 pm 
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Salem County Fairgrounds is published site of Freeform. I had guessed it was a different venue, but at any rate, the Cowtown Rodeo grounds are there, but as loud and crazy as that can be at times, i wonder about degrees of Radical Self Expression. Bands, loud music, all there before (all night; maybe not) and maybe alcohol is permitted, i dunno. Nudity in C&W territory? But that is an example to observe about Rentable Land options. Are there ownership goals besides an Event location? Maybe crops PDF can grow to pay the taxes? Lots of issues to consider.

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