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 Post subject: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:51 pm 
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Actually, I think this is a great idea.

I'm not thrilled about 'banning' fire as a piss off way to get people to notice. I understand the appeal of that approach, but I think it would be a good idea to approach it in a similar fashion as we do Buzz Kill/Sound Patrol/whatever we're calling it these days. Maybe Rangers would be up to the task of talking to camps about proper fire etiquette, which would also include unattended propane fire etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:58 am 
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A fun big-ass sign at gate/check-in could also help spread the message. Any place like that where most participants have to pass through to get in would be good for community reminders like this.

Burn scars are only sexy on people! Be sure to protect the ground from your burn barrels!

Or other playful deliveries of the message?

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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:06 am 
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Also for those of you who weren't on the last PC call, Arrgon is referring to an issue that was brought up regarding how to help remind the community about proper fire handling; this past burn we had a record number of burn scars left behind.

All burn barrels should be securely propped up on cinder blocks or other similar lifts to protect the ground below from the heat of the fire, but this past burn that was neglected by multiple groups of participants. Hence the discussions surrounding how to correct that issue and get the word back out. Besides...

Burn scars on the ground make ponies sad. Don't burn the ground.

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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:20 pm 
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I'm thinking LARGE signs that people can see - or - asking gate and greeters to tell everyone


I prefer rude signs to be honest

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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:28 pm 
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In general I'd say save your rudeness for people who are violators and not just throw it out to the community at large, but of course if you're considerate enough to have brought enough rudeness for the whole class... :P

May just be a disagreement over word choice instead of actual actions, but I don't want to treat anyone (nor everyone) like an asshole until they've proven to me that I really should, so I'd prefer to start with fun PSAs. I think it's fairly easy to be forceful with the message and welcoming at the same time.

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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:22 pm 
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There are a couple rangers who have been pretty good about educating people on not leaving burn scars. At some point, I probably should start turning up for ranger training to encourage rangers to do some outreach and education (and if that doesn't work, call me).

Things to stick in conversation here:
* The burns we (specifically, the vets) care most about are the ones that are hot enough to kill the roots. Zorched surface grass will grow out in 2-3 weeks (yeah, it's still "leaving a trace"), but dead roots require reseeding (which the event probably should either do or hold camps accountable for, but as far as I know, neither happens).
* We have a growing issue with unattended fires (how do you know it's unattended? You walk up to it, nobody's there, you yell "whose fire is this?", and nobody turns up). As a safety matter: If you have open flame (anything from tiki torches to burn barrels), especially in proximity to a camp (or more to the point, near someone else's camp, which just about every fire at PDF is), it needs to be attended (as in, there needs to be someone within eye/earshot who is awake, not completely f**ked up, and knows where a fire extinguisher is).
* There are a few people who are just being dumbasses about overloading fire bowls and burn barrels. With fire bowls, you should be able to put that screen lid on top, and burn barrels should never be filled to the point where wood is stacked out of the top. (Also, if you're wondering how fall PDF managed to blow through a wood order that was a third larger than the previous record by Friday morning? Yeah.)

There are a number of people/camps who may not yet have proven themselves assholes, but are making a strong argument for it by being sparkly in a way usually associated with people who clean the machines in a glitter factory.


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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:56 am 
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so far my idea is to put up large signs that have cinder blocks under them

with a budget of 50$ I can make 3 signs with a pile of 10 cinder blocks
one at red barn
one at back water
one in the back corner

im going to put

the walk is not far
cinder blocks are here for you
to prevent burn scars

I'm also hoping to put up signs at the gates and at the water stating

ALL GROUND FIRES WILL BE PUT OUT
THIS INCLUDES NOT ELEVATED BURN BARRELS

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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:45 pm 
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Assuming my budget for cinder blocks goes through, we should have the cinder blocks for this (because that's exactly what my budgeted cinder blocks are for).

And I may add some "UNATTENDED FIRES WILL BE EXTINGUISHED" signs to that...


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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:40 am 
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UNATTENDED FIRES WILL BE EXTINGUISHED - IMMEDIATELY
ALL GROUND FIRES WILL BE EXTINGUISHED - IMMEDIATELY
THIS INCLUDES NOT ELEVATED BURN BARRELS


anyone that does not understand what unattended means - should not be allowed to have a fire

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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:39 pm 
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The concerns about unattended fire (wood/propane/etc) could be discussed with the Leaders of each Camp - either in whatever application form, in the main booklet, as well as in person.


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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:53 pm 
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ok - lets do this both ways (snicker)

let me see if godshot / Mangoe are up to Drawing something for the www

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 Post subject: Re: Burn Permission
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:28 pm 
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Is Karnak going to drive the DPW Fire Truck around? Shotgun!


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