PROPOSAL: Move Center Camp to Center Map

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PROPOSAL: Move Center Camp to Center Map

Postby Princess » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:51 am

Proposal:

Move Ranger HeadQuarters(RHQ)and Participation Station(PS) to 4E.
(Approved by Ranger Coordination Team)

Reasons to Move:

"Center Camp" is no longer in the center- our event has grown in number and size- several acres- and "Center Camp" is now in the bottom quarter.
Having Center Camp more Central makes it more accessible to the back field- where a majority of attendees camp.
Our current location is too loud!
Rangers and PS vols. have trouble hearing and being heard on the radios when at Center Camp, which is essential to the function of our departments.
Friday night the Stage sound level was measured at 82dB at 50’ (which hadn’t gotten any louder from the daytime performances, and is well over daytime acceptable levels.) So asking someone which shift they’d like to fill was equivalent to trying to have a conversation on a subway platform with a train passing. :oops:
In addition to the location being too loud to perform the basic functions of Center Camp, it also prevents us from being more involved by having volunteer trainings, and burner/PDF education events/performances.
Rangers would like to reorient the current Center Camp structure to have PS/RHQ be side by side in order to facilitate Higher visibility of Rangers- which is essential to the function of their dept. Our current location can not accommodate this rotation.

:idea: Reasons 4E is Ideal :idea:

:!: It is Centrally Located
:!:
4E is accessible to the front and back fields and has a very high visibility level being on the corner of two major roads, and near the porta potties and barn showers.
4E being next to the barn is very easy to locate!
If someone needs a Ranger, the Central location would make it easier for someone to come to Ranger HQ to call for a Ranger if they can’t see one.
:!: It is Quiet :!:
4E has the neighbor’s field to the back and side and the barn on the other side, so despite being across from sound camps, it is still quiet.
Unlike the stage, the sound camps don’t have music pumping out all day long.
:!: It Accommodates :!:
4E is big enough to accommodate the Center Camp structure at any angle, so we could reorient the structure to have RHQ next to PS, giving it increased visibility and accessibility!
4E is close enough to pull power from the barn without having to invest in pricey 75 ft all weather extension cords and a 30 amp breaker control, with the possibility of them getting damaged/unplugged when run over by a golf cart/car which would likely happen if we were, for example, at 5E.
4E has the depth in space to host events, such as Ranger Training, Burner 101: A Guide to PDF, 10 Principles Dramatic Storytelling and Dept Info sessions.[/color]

Our event has grown and we need to adjust to meet the needs of all participants.

4E is the ideal adjustment for Center Camp because it is centrally located, allowing us to better serve the whole community, while being more interactive and engaging!
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Re: PROPOSAL: Move Center Camp to Center Map

Postby heidi » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:19 pm

Placement is a very delicate jigsaw puzzle. This change is a very big request and effects many others. Please consider…

If what you are trying to accomplish is to be more central and in a quiet area, may I suggest 5e-d. Map reference can be found here: http://playadelfuego.org/sites/default/ ... 15_v02.jpg

response to the 4c plot:

Biggest Concern:
-You would be taking away a Sound Camp location when there is plenty of Quiet space available.

“It is Quiet”
-It is not quiet. The quiet areas are designated in the Front Field, Back Field and Field 5-6.
- 4,c,d,e and 3 a,b,c are locations for Sound Camps.
-If the Stage is too loud, why isn’t the PDF Stage Manager monitoring it?

“It Accommodates”
-5e-d can accommodate as well. That plot can be any size needed.
-PDF has a budget and can buy an extension cord. The cord can be placed without being damaged

“Our event has grown and we need to adjust to meet the needs of all participants.”
-Agreed, but taking a Sound Camp’s location when there is plenty of Quiet areas is not necessary.

Other Questions
-Where are the other locations that have power available? Are those options?
-Have the Vets OK’d us to use power from the barn?
-What about moving to 1c, next to MASH? Does MASH have a sound issue? Why not keep them together, keeping that “Center Camp” concept of everything a participant needs all in one spot?
-1c,d,e are all quiet camp locations too
-How about the other side of the barn? #8 as an option? Vets may even allow you to sprawl out and use the space behind the barn.
-What is the actual footprint of the Ranger/PS structure?

Please consider another option rather than 4e that is not taking away a Sound location.
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Re: PROPOSAL: Move Center Camp to Center Map

Postby AllysonBeth » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:38 am

While I can certainly understand the Rangers' ears needing a break, I think it is not the best placement idea to take site 4E away as sound camp placement. TIKI had it in the Spring, and it was such an ideal sound camp plot that we have been trying to campaign to get it again for fall. Not only is the space big enough to get all the infrastructure built, but also to has the dance floor for the DJs, which we were looking to expand more events into for the next burn. As far as sound goes, TIKI has music and DJs almost constantly, so having two and a half sides back entirely onto fields so there are no neighbors/open campers to disturb, and the sides that are common face on the roads near the outdoor showers and the road to the backfield, were ideal. Plus, we had room for all members of TIKI who wanted to camp on-site to do so, which is something we are typically first-come, first-serve over.
In addition, it seems less than ideal for the Participation Station because it would essentially make their part of the plot dead space after the hours when it's staffed, which are typically extremely busy (and loud) hours.
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Re: PROPOSAL: Move Center Camp to Center Map

Postby Gab2y » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:53 pm

I have to agree with Ally. 4e was the ideal placement for Camp Tiki. It has a large enough area for all of our infastructure and room for dancing and fire spinning, both of which we plan to bring the fall. The participation station, historically, is not very large or active. It would not use the space as economically as Tiki would. Also, I might add, after attending 10 plus burns, we have never had the same spot twice. I'm not complaining- I understand that placement is a difficult job and the BOD works hard to do it every burn. However, with our new infastructure and our plans for expansion, we were very excited about 4e and the possibility of making it our new home. In conclusion, I think even if 4E is not given to Tiki, it should remain a sound camp. This is a more appropriate use of the space and fits more into the flow of the other camps.
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Re: PROPOSAL: Move Center Camp to Center Map

Postby Tada » Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:23 pm

While 4E is a great spot for TIKI, it is also right next to the barn which actually has more robust power hookups than the stage, which cannot be utilized by theme camps.

The Ranger / PS setup requires 2 15-amp power runs in order to charge radio's, provide lighting, and power the water cooler (for cases of dehydration).

Moving Rangers / Part Station to 5E would require two 100 foot all-weather extension cords, which can be quite costly, or the construction of a 30 amp sub-panel breaker box with a single 30-amp connection running to the barn. (Over $300)

Also, if 4 B-D is designated for sound camps, why aren't there any sound camp there? I want to hear FogHat blaring from The Wallows!
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Re: PROPOSAL: Move Center Camp to Center Map

Postby reverend_dave » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:45 pm

Tada wrote:While 4E is a great spot for TIKI, it is also right next to the barn which actually has more robust power hookups than the stage, which cannot be utilized by theme camps.

The Ranger / PS setup requires 2 15-amp power runs in order to charge radio's, provide lighting, and power the water cooler (for cases of dehydration).

Moving Rangers / Part Station to 5E would require two 100 foot all-weather extension cords, which can be quite costly, or the construction of a 30 amp sub-panel breaker box with a single 30-amp connection running to the barn. (Over $300)


Without commenting on the merits of moving the ranger station: What, izzactly, do you have plugged in back there? Back gate has lights, various chargers, and a water cooler (from the same rental company, so presumably the same model), and they're at the wrong end of almost 200' of (a single run of) extension cord.
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Re: PROPOSAL: Move Center Camp to Center Map

Postby Princess » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:14 pm

What, izzactly, do you have plugged in back there?


PS Base radio & Ranger radios are also plugged in to charge.


The discussion to move PS and RHQ to the back gate was tossed around (so I'm told) and wasn't going to work, for various reason- to which I'm not privy.
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